This is Hacker Public Radio episode 3,917 for Tuesday the 8th of August 2023. Today's show is entitled, Response to Permission tickets by ONF Spones. It is hosted by D&T and is about 7 minutes long. It carries a clean flag. The summary is, hopefully a useful provocation and response to a recent intriguing show by another HPR host. Hello and welcome to another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio. This here is a response to 3909 called Permission tickets by ONF Spones. This was a really good show, very well written, not too long, and one of Spones says it's a preview show for some future self-referential tangle of cryptographic distraction, which sounds great. I just wanted to, I was typing a comment and then it was kind of getting long, so I decided to record a response show and then you may notice that I was on Hacker Public Radio just a couple of days ago in tomorrow or something I would be on it again, and that was because I had a scheduled show and then one show came out of the reserve queue and then I'm posting this as a response show and I'll talk a little more about that later. Anyway, so the show by ONF Spones was very good, very interesting stuff. I really recommend you listen to it and it's very much in line with the previous shows by that host. It's always been at this kind of standard and I wanted to talk about just one part of what he's talking about here and that is, for example at the end here I'm looking at the whisper transcription. It says, so as a disclaimer, if it wasn't clear at the beginning, if you recognize that someone who exchanges a bunch of money for a bunch of cryptographic tokens is essentially holding next to nothing at all, then you are halfway to recognizing that someone hold who holds a bunch of money is holding next to nothing at all. What they need is to convince somebody to exchange or to swap for the permission tickets which they have acquired in quote, that's very good too many crypto fans don't recognize even that, but I would like to point out here that there is actually one very important difference between these crypto currencies and state-backed currencies and that is that within that state, it is legal tender in one of the primary ways in which this manifests is that the state accepts it as for tax payment. So that's kind of the number one thing that gives state-backed money, it's value, right? It's not just that people will accept it and this seems to be something that a lot of the crypto fans don't seem to remember. So the thing about that is that we seem to in the 21st century to be kind of in the habit of destroying things that we already had and then just rebuilding them in a less good form and then we're just stuck with this downgraded form of the thing that we actually already had. We just didn't realize that we were just rebuilding the same thing, only not as good as the one that we had before, right? This happens, I think I'm going to put in the show notes this episode of the Harper's podcast where they discussed the writers strike here in the United States, the Hollywood writers strike and they kind of touched on the idea that, you know, these streaming services, they kind of destroyed the traditional TV industry in the US based in Hollywood and they really didn't actually make anything new. They were simply allowed by the state to destroy the industry that already existed and they just basically dominated it and replaced it with an industry that's just much less equitable and according to the person that was being interviewed on that podcast, this is now reflected in this strike. So I think we should be wary of situations in which we make, we kind of fool ourselves into thinking that we're innovating, we're building this new thing but really we're just replacing you with within inferior version of something that we already had, not because the thing that we already had was necessarily good but just because we suffer from a pretty overwhelming lack of imagination. All right, so that was my comment on the show by one of spoons and before I posted this, I went on Matrix on the Matrix channel and I raised this idea because I already had shows on the calendar so we try to stick to only one show every two weeks so that nobody can kind of dominate the main feed but I kind of raised the idea that maybe response shows should be exempt from that because it's kind of nice for you to appear in the in the main feed pretty close to the show you're responding to and also maybe that's a good way to fill slots you know to we have the reserve queue when there's an unclaimed slot very close to the date it's supposed to air so maybe another decent way for hosts to fill slots is to record a response show like the one I just did. Also personally I'm a fan of these of conversations and this can be kind of like a play by male conversation where each participant in the conversation will only speak after several days so with this I invite one of spoons to write to post a comment on my comment or just post that upcoming show about the the tango of cryptographic something or other so that could also be a good way for a new host to post their first show you know if you have a comment about a show or thoughts about a show which undoubtedly you do from time to time maybe it can be a kind of a simple way to post your first show by sort of remixing or starting from somebody else's show and what did you think about that? I think I would like to hear it hopefully this was useful thanks again to one of spoons for the show I'm looking for a that was very good very well done thank you and now please come back tomorrow for another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio thank you. 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